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		<title>By: 2009 AFL Preliminary Finals Wrapup &#124; Expert AFL Tips, Games &#38; DreamTeam reviews along with featured AFL articles.</title>
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		<dc:creator>2009 AFL Preliminary Finals Wrapup &#124; Expert AFL Tips, Games &#38; DreamTeam reviews along with featured AFL articles.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jermayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until the Dogs win a premiership or two and undoubtedly show that they can win finals and tight matches with the current forward line I will not budge from my opinion. 

I hope for your guys sake I am wrong but Walls is a clown and a &#039;has been&#039;, so I would not guarantee a premiership based on his comments. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If The Bulldogs Had of Beaten Geelong (which they should have) Would Jermayn Still Be Complaining About Our Forward Line???&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The proof is in the pudding, if you had won by kicking 8.2 instead I may have still questioned your forward line efficiency in the first 1/2 of the game. The win would have glossed over my questions over the forward but the loss highlights it even more imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until the Dogs win a premiership or two and undoubtedly show that they can win finals and tight matches with the current forward line I will not budge from my opinion. </p>
<p>I hope for your guys sake I am wrong but Walls is a clown and a &#8216;has been&#8217;, so I would not guarantee a premiership based on his comments. </p>
<blockquote><p>If The Bulldogs Had of Beaten Geelong (which they should have) Would Jermayn Still Be Complaining About Our Forward Line???</p></blockquote>
<p>The proof is in the pudding, if you had won by kicking 8.2 instead I may have still questioned your forward line efficiency in the first 1/2 of the game. The win would have glossed over my questions over the forward but the loss highlights it even more imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no trying to change his mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no trying to change his mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow deano i commend your effort. arguing with jermayn is like trying to get water out of a rock. it doesn&#039;t matter how right we are, and what the experts say. his mind will never be changed. 
i do find it interesting that Leigh Matthews, Robert Walls (two of the games experts) both seem to think the Bulldogs are able to win a premiership with the forward line they currently have.

i do agree that a KPP would be handy, but again it is NOT pivitol to winning games, especially finals. 

The big question i would like to ask... 

If The Bulldogs Had of Beaten Geelong (which they should have) Would Jermayn Still Be Complaining About Our Forward Line???
.-= Mike&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653&quot;&gt;Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow deano i commend your effort. arguing with jermayn is like trying to get water out of a rock. it doesn&#8217;t matter how right we are, and what the experts say. his mind will never be changed.<br />
i do find it interesting that Leigh Matthews, Robert Walls (two of the games experts) both seem to think the Bulldogs are able to win a premiership with the forward line they currently have.</p>
<p>i do agree that a KPP would be handy, but again it is NOT pivitol to winning games, especially finals. </p>
<p>The big question i would like to ask&#8230; </p>
<p>If The Bulldogs Had of Beaten Geelong (which they should have) Would Jermayn Still Be Complaining About Our Forward Line???<br />
.-= Mike&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653">Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn</title>
		<link>http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/2009-afl-finals-week-one-wrap-up/comment-page-1/#comment-9962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jermayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man that was a long comment....
I appreciate you taking the to argue with me and as Mike &amp; Princess will know, I never back down from an argument :)

If you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/2009-afl-finals-week-one#comment-9813&quot;&gt;read my tip from last week&lt;/a&gt;, I said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I have under estimated them (as pointed out this week), so lets see what they can do favourites against Geelong.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I admit I thought they would win but in watching the game, I said to my wife. I have been saying this all season (about their forward line inefficiency) and I should have stuck with my season long opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man that was a long comment&#8230;.<br />
I appreciate you taking the to argue with me and as Mike &amp; Princess will know, I never back down from an argument <img src='http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you <a href="http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/2009-afl-finals-week-one#comment-9813">read my tip from last week</a>, I said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have under estimated them (as pointed out this week), so lets see what they can do favourites against Geelong.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I admit I thought they would win but in watching the game, I said to my wife. I have been saying this all season (about their forward line inefficiency) and I should have stuck with my season long opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as i have stated and please read this again just so it sinks in, i have absolutely no problem with your opinion and we have agreed to disagree on this many times. however, my problem lies within the inconsistencies that permeate throughout your argument. my problem with experts is that they get paid to do what they do and often when a story is not there they make one up. It is very easy to sit back after a game and say that this is why that went wrong and so on, Matthews article may prove to be correct but only a day or two earlier he was singing the praises of the Dogs and that their loss to the Cats would not be the end of them and that the gap between the top2 and the chasing pack was closer then he had thought. so which are we to believe? that the dogs have no chance because of a lack of a key forward or that they are closer than ever to the top2? 

Jermayn, this is where my main problem with your argument lies, on the one hand you are adamant that finals pressure is what brings the dogs undone and that they can&#039;t compete against the big teams without a KPP in the forward line yet you picked them to beat the Cats. How can you have such strong views about our september ability yet still tip us to beat a team hell bent on redemption? i by no means class myself as an expert(as is evidenced by my prediction of the st.kilda side) everybody gets things wrong at times and i have been guilty of this many times in my life but there is one thing for certain that i know and that is that players and teams alike do not lose their ability, football does not change in finals you still have to run, chase, kick, handball etc, what changes is the physical pressure that gets applied and the mental pressures that lie within individuals. whichever team can apply the most physical pressure and cope with the mental side of things generally comes out on top. if this were not the case then someone like Greg Norman would have as good a record as Tiger Woods. Greg did not lose his ability to hit a golf ball, he was the best in the world for near on 15 years, what he did lose was his ability to keep his cool under intense pressure whereas Tiger would put on his red shirt and send a collective shudder throughout the chasing pack. And before anyone says that individual sports are different to team sports they are not. individuals exist within teams as well and if there are any weak links within teams then they get found out. in essence it is the team with the least amount of weak links that gets the job done. it is my opinion that the Dogs had to many weak minded individuals on the weekend and i would like to re-iterate that i predicted that this would be the case(over the finals series). i also predicted that to win the dogs would have to withstand the opening barage(which they did not), be within striking distance at 3qtr time(not close enough.) and that jermayn would pull out the old &#039;dogs lacking a key forward&#039; card(again, despite picking them himself).

again i have no problem with your theory but at least have the courage to stand by it. to start pulling out quotes from other peoples thoughts just shows how small minded your own thoughts on the game are(and you did not reply to my thoughts on this planb theory.) that Rich was able to bust through a couple of tackles and snag a bomb from outside 50 and Bradshaw was able to pull a goal from his ass is the reason why the Lions are still alive and has nothing to do with any planB. the fact of the matter is they ran harder, tackled harder, kicked inside 50 more efficiently and kicked more goals then points. The dogs ran harder, tackled harder, kicked inside 50 more efficiently but kicked more points then goals. if this argument seems fruitless to you then so be it but i have strong theories on the psychology of the game(and sport in general) and will stand by them despite what you, leigh matthews or anyone else has to say. perhaps it is time you followed suit...

btw why did you tip the dogs and are they fast becoming your most hated team???lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as i have stated and please read this again just so it sinks in, i have absolutely no problem with your opinion and we have agreed to disagree on this many times. however, my problem lies within the inconsistencies that permeate throughout your argument. my problem with experts is that they get paid to do what they do and often when a story is not there they make one up. It is very easy to sit back after a game and say that this is why that went wrong and so on, Matthews article may prove to be correct but only a day or two earlier he was singing the praises of the Dogs and that their loss to the Cats would not be the end of them and that the gap between the top2 and the chasing pack was closer then he had thought. so which are we to believe? that the dogs have no chance because of a lack of a key forward or that they are closer than ever to the top2? </p>
<p>Jermayn, this is where my main problem with your argument lies, on the one hand you are adamant that finals pressure is what brings the dogs undone and that they can&#8217;t compete against the big teams without a KPP in the forward line yet you picked them to beat the Cats. How can you have such strong views about our september ability yet still tip us to beat a team hell bent on redemption? i by no means class myself as an expert(as is evidenced by my prediction of the st.kilda side) everybody gets things wrong at times and i have been guilty of this many times in my life but there is one thing for certain that i know and that is that players and teams alike do not lose their ability, football does not change in finals you still have to run, chase, kick, handball etc, what changes is the physical pressure that gets applied and the mental pressures that lie within individuals. whichever team can apply the most physical pressure and cope with the mental side of things generally comes out on top. if this were not the case then someone like Greg Norman would have as good a record as Tiger Woods. Greg did not lose his ability to hit a golf ball, he was the best in the world for near on 15 years, what he did lose was his ability to keep his cool under intense pressure whereas Tiger would put on his red shirt and send a collective shudder throughout the chasing pack. And before anyone says that individual sports are different to team sports they are not. individuals exist within teams as well and if there are any weak links within teams then they get found out. in essence it is the team with the least amount of weak links that gets the job done. it is my opinion that the Dogs had to many weak minded individuals on the weekend and i would like to re-iterate that i predicted that this would be the case(over the finals series). i also predicted that to win the dogs would have to withstand the opening barage(which they did not), be within striking distance at 3qtr time(not close enough.) and that jermayn would pull out the old &#8216;dogs lacking a key forward&#8217; card(again, despite picking them himself).</p>
<p>again i have no problem with your theory but at least have the courage to stand by it. to start pulling out quotes from other peoples thoughts just shows how small minded your own thoughts on the game are(and you did not reply to my thoughts on this planb theory.) that Rich was able to bust through a couple of tackles and snag a bomb from outside 50 and Bradshaw was able to pull a goal from his ass is the reason why the Lions are still alive and has nothing to do with any planB. the fact of the matter is they ran harder, tackled harder, kicked inside 50 more efficiently and kicked more goals then points. The dogs ran harder, tackled harder, kicked inside 50 more efficiently but kicked more points then goals. if this argument seems fruitless to you then so be it but i have strong theories on the psychology of the game(and sport in general) and will stand by them despite what you, leigh matthews or anyone else has to say. perhaps it is time you followed suit&#8230;</p>
<p>btw why did you tip the dogs and are they fast becoming your most hated team???lol</p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Deano I know this is a fruitless argument with you but the only two people I have ever heard who disagree with me (&#039;experts&#039; and &#039;lunchbox experts&#039; like us) is you and Mike.

Again let me stress that tall KPP are not the only answer or solution to win a premiership. I am saying it helps and the Dogs would be imo a better rounded side. I also doubt they can win a premiership with the current forward line and I will go on record with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Deano I know this is a fruitless argument with you but the only two people I have ever heard who disagree with me (&#8216;experts&#8217; and &#8216;lunchbox experts&#8217; like us) is you and Mike.</p>
<p>Again let me stress that tall KPP are not the only answer or solution to win a premiership. I am saying it helps and the Dogs would be imo a better rounded side. I also doubt they can win a premiership with the current forward line and I will go on record with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your argument is ridiculous, the exact same thing happened in the lions and blues game as in the dogs and cats game, both the dogs and the lions were outplayed before both got on top in the middle and moved the ball into the forward line quicker and more efficiently in the last quarter. that the lions were able to convert their opportunities was the only difference, if the dogs had kicked 10 goals straight would they then have a successful plan b? i think not. mate i respect your opinion most of the time but you have lost me on this one, your naivety and ability to be influenced by what the &#039;experts&#039; say and think staggers me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your argument is ridiculous, the exact same thing happened in the lions and blues game as in the dogs and cats game, both the dogs and the lions were outplayed before both got on top in the middle and moved the ball into the forward line quicker and more efficiently in the last quarter. that the lions were able to convert their opportunities was the only difference, if the dogs had kicked 10 goals straight would they then have a successful plan b? i think not. mate i respect your opinion most of the time but you have lost me on this one, your naivety and ability to be influenced by what the &#8216;experts&#8217; say and think staggers me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Deano &amp; Mike - I am not saying that KPP are the answer for any premiership team, as you point out Brisbane have two of the best and have only made the finals once since 2004. However quality KPP are the cherry on top that &lt;strong&gt;can be&lt;/strong&gt; the difference between playing finals and finishing 3rd to winning that premiership.

Have you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84399/default.aspx&quot;&gt;Leigh Mathews latest article&lt;/a&gt;?

In the Brisbane v Carlton game. Brisbane in the last quarter reverted to a new game plan. The first 3 quarters they had a kick/ handball ratio of 1.3 kicks to every handball. In the last quarter seeing they where under pressure and their current game plan did not work, they went to plan B. The last quarter they had a kick/ handball ratio of 3.3 kicks for every handball. That is a big difference in todays game.

What I am saying is that in finals at times, it does not go according to plan and you need to have a back up plan and the Dogs do not have one. They rely on kicking the ball into the midget forward line with a high efficiency. Finals you cannot rely on this, you need to be able to kick the ball long and have confidence that they can mark a contested ball and if not, the midgets (and you have some of the best in the competition) can crumb off them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Deano &amp; Mike &#8211; I am not saying that KPP are the answer for any premiership team, as you point out Brisbane have two of the best and have only made the finals once since 2004. However quality KPP are the cherry on top that <strong>can be</strong> the difference between playing finals and finishing 3rd to winning that premiership.</p>
<p>Have you read <a href="http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84399/default.aspx">Leigh Mathews latest article</a>?</p>
<p>In the Brisbane v Carlton game. Brisbane in the last quarter reverted to a new game plan. The first 3 quarters they had a kick/ handball ratio of 1.3 kicks to every handball. In the last quarter seeing they where under pressure and their current game plan did not work, they went to plan B. The last quarter they had a kick/ handball ratio of 3.3 kicks for every handball. That is a big difference in todays game.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that in finals at times, it does not go according to plan and you need to have a back up plan and the Dogs do not have one. They rely on kicking the ball into the midget forward line with a high efficiency. Finals you cannot rely on this, you need to be able to kick the ball long and have confidence that they can mark a contested ball and if not, the midgets (and you have some of the best in the competition) can crumb off them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said</p>
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