Was dumb founded today when I read that acting for a free kick can become a reportable offence and players found guilty of it will receive a reprimand for his first offence, a $1600 fine for a second time and $2400 for a third offence.
Will clashes like this be what Matthew Lloyd will be remembered for or will it be the new Staging rule?
My first comment like I am sure everyone else’s was, “Lucky Matthew Lloyd has retired” but then it got me thinking who else is in danger of loosing some money with this new ‘Lloyd Rule‘ coming into play?
All Bulldogs fans will automatically think of Saints captain Nick Riewoldt who fell over like a dead fly after a chest shoving match between him and Bulldog Brian Lake in last years 2009 Preliminary Final.
Some other names I personally think are in danger are:
- Brad Johnson
- Brent Harvey
- Marc Murphy
- Steve Johnson
- Nick Riewoldt
So today we are asking for names of players who stage for free kicks and do you think it is a good rule and your thoughts on anything else that comes to mind with the new “Lloyd Rule”.
What comes to my mind is how can you judge what is an act or not? Will a reprimand be worth winning a free kick that could help you win a game?
EDIT (3rd Feb 2010): As provided by AussieRulesBlog, hear is the video link with examples of what ’staging’ consists off.
EDIT (8th Feb 2010): The Fox sports video does not work, so use the title=”Examples of the new Staging Free Kick rule”>link provided by AussieRulesBlog for examples of the rule.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 am
Congratulations Jermayn! You win the award for the quickest and dumbest over-reaction for the 2010 season — and it’s only just started!. Not only that, but you compound the error by choosing a picture of one of the toughest bits of footy for the entire 2009 season when Lloyd took the full brunt of a charging Judd on his chest and left the Carlton Captain a groggy mess! This was certainly NOT one of Lloyd’s ‘dives’.
The Reiwoldt incident is exactly what the AFL’s sanction is to stamp out, according to their video explanation.
Calling it the “Lloyd rule’ is simply pathetic. Clearly Lloyd, and many others, exaggerate(d) contact as they’re leading for a mark. Equally clearly, that’s not what the AFL are trying to combat.
What Lloyd actually did for most of his last five or so years was to drag his feet at the point where he expected to take the mark, and then fall to his knees and pitch forward. Without his feet beneath him to gain balance, ANY contact was liable to see him careening off line, thereby attracting the attention of the umpire. I’m not excusing what he did. I didn’t like it.
As for your final question, as I blogged a few minutes ago, it would seem the match review panel might be making the bulk of the decisions on ’staging’ penalties.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 9:55 am
@AussieRules – Yes I could have chosen a different picture but I like that picture and I agree its a good example of how tough the game is and how it should be played.
Maybe I should change the caption to something like “Will clashes like this be what Matthew Lloyd be remembered for or will he remembered by the Staging rule we dub the ‘Lloyd Rule’”.
btw how is my post it an over-reaction?
Also I do not see the difference between the Riewoldt incident and the exaggerate(d) contact during a marking contest that Lloyd & Fevola was famous for. They are staging for a kick and staging is staging.
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 am
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:38 am
Did you look at the video? This is not about what you or I think is staging. The video defines it pretty comprehensively here. Had the AFL wanted to deal with forwards exaggerating defensive contact, there’s no shortage of examples. Instead, their examples are exclusively of players exaggerating the effects of a physical confrontation. Their definition, not mine.
Over-reaction? Try “The new Lloyd Rule for Free Kick staging”.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 11:34 am
But forwards “diving” can be classified as a reportable offence because it may (and I quote) “Affect Umpire decision making”….
Its called a headline
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
You may be right about the words, but the video sent out to clubs doesn’t show one example of a forward ‘diving’. If they were going to police it (‘diving’), it’d be in the video, wouldn’t you think? That’s not to say that the Giesch won’t have his minions wound up tighter than than a brand new watch spring and they decide to ‘interpret’ forwards ‘diving’ as staging. In that event, I’d reckon you’d hear the screaming of clubs and coaches in the UK!
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February 3rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
So in other words it brings up yet another grey area for the “match committee” to police on the already huge list.
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Personally, I think any move to crack down on diving or “staging” is a good one.
I am a massive fan of the world game, football (soccer), and the thing that bugs me the most in that game is simulation or diving. Players go down way to easy all the time looking for penalties (and getting them most of the time).
Now, AFL has not reached this level but there have been some instances over the last few years where it is starting to come into the game. The move to stamp it out early before it reaches the level where it can not be removed (where soccer is now) is a good one.
February 4th, 2010 at 8:53 am
The problem is the umpires if they are dumb enough to pay the free kicks. The need to get rid of the ‘grey areas’ where is open to interpretation and you have umpires that do not understand the game and how it flows.
In cricket they fast track their past players to umpire like Riefell etc and they understand the game and they are good. Its a pity that the ex-Collingwood umpire couldn’t bounce the ball…
February 4th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Actually I don’t blame the umpires for missing staging. Soccer is a perfect example of how real a “dive” can look. There have been many times I have cursed at my teams players for hacking a player down in a dangerous spot, only for the replay to show that the player dove (then I curse at the Ref for making a horrible decision).
An umpire on the field has only got one angle and a couple of seconds to make his mind up. Any help the umpire can have on this decision, even if it occurs after the game (as it is naming and shaming players, making them think twice about diving), is a step in the right direction
February 4th, 2010 at 9:18 am
That is the point I am making, umpires with a true sense and feel of the game do not get fooled or sucked in by the antics of certain players. Of the example of ’staging’ I have included above (and the link provided by AussieRules) a perfect example of an umpire feeling the game was the Alan Didak example.
The best tip I was given when I had to umpire once (and every other sport I’ve umpired) was let the game flow…
Jermayn´s last blog ..The new Lloyd Rule for Free Kick staging
February 4th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
I think you and I are arguing from different points of view.
Your looking at it from the view there will be to many penalties for staging even when the player hasn’t dived and you don’t want this to happen.
Where as I am looking at the view that there are to many penalties given to the “stager” for being hit/pushed even when he hasn’t been and cracking down on this is a good thing.
I suppose only time will tell which way the umpires go.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
I think you guys are going to be massively disappointed, because the umpires won’t be doing anything in relation to staging. It’ll be the Match Review Panel.
BTW, the video link which I provided (not the one you elected to use) is still active.
aussierulesblog´s last blog ..The rush to report
February 8th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I used the Foxsports video link because I could embed it into this page but as you pointed out, it does not work now. So I will add your link.
Thanks for letting me know…
February 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
That’s where I am trying to come from aussierulesblog.
The game won’t change a lot but the fear of being sited by the panel will stop the players thinking about diving.
February 9th, 2010 at 10:51 am
You really think it will stop players from “staging”?? I do not, maybe if they missed games but $1,000 to $3,000 is nothing…
February 9th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Yeah, I do, because it will “name & shame” a player. The fine has nothing much to do with it, I think it’s just a token amount.
As you have said above it’s all about the reputation players have, if somebody is a known diver the umpires are not going to award him a free kick for going down to easily are they. So it’s better for players to stay on their feet and not run the risk of being known as a diver.