Comments on: The new Lloyd Rule for Free Kick staging http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging Expert Weekly AFL Tips, AFL Round wrap ups, Dream Team info & tips on how to play and understand AFL Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:21:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Geaghs http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-14403 Geaghs Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:48:38 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-14403 Yeah, I do, because it will "name & shame" a player. The fine has nothing much to do with it, I think it's just a token amount. As you have said above it's all about the reputation players have, if somebody is a known diver the umpires are not going to award him a free kick for going down to easily are they. So it's better for players to stay on their feet and not run the risk of being known as a diver. Yeah, I do, because it will “name & shame” a player. The fine has nothing much to do with it, I think it’s just a token amount.

As you have said above it’s all about the reputation players have, if somebody is a known diver the umpires are not going to award him a free kick for going down to easily are they. So it’s better for players to stay on their feet and not run the risk of being known as a diver.

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-14401 Jermayn Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:51:42 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-14401 You really think it will stop players from "staging"?? I do not, maybe if they missed games but $1,000 to $3,000 is nothing... You really think it will stop players from “staging”?? I do not, maybe if they missed games but $1,000 to $3,000 is nothing…

]]> By: Geaghs http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-14369 Geaghs Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:45:44 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-14369 That's where I am trying to come from aussierulesblog. The game won't change a lot but the fear of being sited by the panel will stop the players thinking about diving. That’s where I am trying to come from aussierulesblog.

The game won’t change a lot but the fear of being sited by the panel will stop the players thinking about diving.

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-14368 Jermayn Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:33:47 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-14368 I used the Foxsports video link because I could embed it into this page but as you pointed out, it does not work now. So I will add your link. Thanks for letting me know... I used the Foxsports video link because I could embed it into this page but as you pointed out, it does not work now. So I will add your link.

Thanks for letting me know…

]]> By: aussierulesblog http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-14367 aussierulesblog Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:27:03 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-14367 I think you guys are going to be massively disappointed, because the umpires won't be doing anything in relation to staging. It'll be the Match Review Panel. BTW, the video link which I provided (not the one you elected to use) is still active. .-= aussierulesblog´s last blog ..<a href="http://aussierulesblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/rush-to-report.html">The rush to report</a> =-. I think you guys are going to be massively disappointed, because the umpires won’t be doing anything in relation to staging. It’ll be the Match Review Panel.

BTW, the video link which I provided (not the one you elected to use) is still active.
.-= aussierulesblog´s last blog ..The rush to report =-.

]]> By: Geaghs http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-13902 Geaghs Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:39:55 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-13902 I think you and I are arguing from different points of view. Your looking at it from the view there will be to many penalties for staging even when the player hasn't dived and you don't want this to happen. Where as I am looking at the view that there are to many penalties given to the "stager" for being hit/pushed even when he hasn't been and cracking down on this is a good thing. I suppose only time will tell which way the umpires go. I think you and I are arguing from different points of view.

Your looking at it from the view there will be to many penalties for staging even when the player hasn’t dived and you don’t want this to happen.

Where as I am looking at the view that there are to many penalties given to the “stager” for being hit/pushed even when he hasn’t been and cracking down on this is a good thing.

I suppose only time will tell which way the umpires go.

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-13894 Jermayn Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:18:01 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-13894 That is the point I am making, umpires with a true sense and feel of the game do not get fooled or sucked in by the antics of certain players. Of the example of 'staging' I have included above (and the link provided by AussieRules) a perfect example of an umpire feeling the game was the Alan Didak example. The best tip I was given when I had to umpire once (and every other sport I've umpired) was let the game flow... .-= Jermayn´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Kick2kick/~3/DOHjLivpEgQ/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging">The new Lloyd Rule for Free Kick staging</a> =-. That is the point I am making, umpires with a true sense and feel of the game do not get fooled or sucked in by the antics of certain players. Of the example of ‘staging’ I have included above (and the link provided by AussieRules) a perfect example of an umpire feeling the game was the Alan Didak example.

The best tip I was given when I had to umpire once (and every other sport I’ve umpired) was let the game flow…
.-= Jermayn´s last blog ..The new Lloyd Rule for Free Kick staging =-.

]]> By: Geaghs http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-13893 Geaghs Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:08:45 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-13893 Actually I don't blame the umpires for missing staging. Soccer is a perfect example of how real a "dive" can look. There have been many times I have cursed at my teams players for hacking a player down in a dangerous spot, only for the replay to show that the player dove (then I curse at the Ref for making a horrible decision). An umpire on the field has only got one angle and a couple of seconds to make his mind up. Any help the umpire can have on this decision, even if it occurs after the game (as it is naming and shaming players, making them think twice about diving), is a step in the right direction Actually I don’t blame the umpires for missing staging. Soccer is a perfect example of how real a “dive” can look. There have been many times I have cursed at my teams players for hacking a player down in a dangerous spot, only for the replay to show that the player dove (then I curse at the Ref for making a horrible decision).

An umpire on the field has only got one angle and a couple of seconds to make his mind up. Any help the umpire can have on this decision, even if it occurs after the game (as it is naming and shaming players, making them think twice about diving), is a step in the right direction

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-13891 Jermayn Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:53:13 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-13891 The problem is the umpires if they are dumb enough to pay the free kicks. The need to get rid of the 'grey areas' where is open to interpretation and you have umpires that do not understand the game and how it flows. In cricket they fast track their past players to umpire like Riefell etc and they understand the game and they are good. Its a pity that the ex-Collingwood umpire couldn't bounce the ball... The problem is the umpires if they are dumb enough to pay the free kicks. The need to get rid of the ‘grey areas’ where is open to interpretation and you have umpires that do not understand the game and how it flows.

In cricket they fast track their past players to umpire like Riefell etc and they understand the game and they are good. Its a pity that the ex-Collingwood umpire couldn’t bounce the ball…

]]> By: Geaghs http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/the-new-lloyd-rule-for-free-kick-staging/comment-page-1/#comment-13866 Geaghs Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:50:06 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2570#comment-13866 Personally, I think any move to crack down on diving or "staging" is a good one. I am a massive fan of the world game, football (soccer), and the thing that bugs me the most in that game is simulation or diving. Players go down way to easy all the time looking for penalties (and getting them most of the time). Now, AFL has not reached this level but there have been some instances over the last few years where it is starting to come into the game. The move to stamp it out early before it reaches the level where it can not be removed (where soccer is now) is a good one. Personally, I think any move to crack down on diving or “staging” is a good one.

I am a massive fan of the world game, football (soccer), and the thing that bugs me the most in that game is simulation or diving. Players go down way to easy all the time looking for penalties (and getting them most of the time).

Now, AFL has not reached this level but there have been some instances over the last few years where it is starting to come into the game. The move to stamp it out early before it reaches the level where it can not be removed (where soccer is now) is a good one.

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