Comments on: Umpires & the Brownlow http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow Expert Weekly AFL Tips, AFL Round wrap ups, Dream Team info & tips on how to play and understand AFL Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:21:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10513 Jermayn Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:39:29 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10513 Yes agree with umpires using nicknames, its funny when they get it wrong as well. Why cant the players address the umpire as 'sir' and the umpires refer to players as numbers rather than name? Keep it professional.... Yes agree with umpires using nicknames, its funny when they get it wrong as well. Why cant the players address the umpire as ‘sir’ and the umpires refer to players as numbers rather than name? Keep it professional….

]]> By: Mike http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10512 Mike Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:22:28 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10512 not trying to start an argument, but the relationship between rugby league (if thats the code you mean) umpires (referees) and players is no better, players MUST address the referee as "Sir" and are not allowed to talk to the umpire 9/10 times otherwise they are sin binned. and they also quite often use players first names, union is a bit better where they generally use the numbers of the players rather than any names. i'm not a fan of the umpires (in AFL) using first names but it just bugs me when they use the player's nicknames, that absoultely annoys the crap out of me. .-= Mike´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653">Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net</a> =-. not trying to start an argument, but the relationship between rugby league (if thats the code you mean) umpires (referees) and players is no better, players MUST address the referee as “Sir” and are not allowed to talk to the umpire 9/10 times otherwise they are sin binned. and they also quite often use players first names, union is a bit better where they generally use the numbers of the players rather than any names.

i’m not a fan of the umpires (in AFL) using first names but it just bugs me when they use the player’s nicknames, that absoultely annoys the crap out of me.
.-= Mike´s last blog ..Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net =-.

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10500 Jermayn Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:41:38 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10500 I am no rugby expert or fan but I like the relationship they have with the players better than the way in the AFL where the umpires try to be buddy buddy with them all. .-= Jermayn´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Kick2kick/~3/KqLthlDQvuM/bulldogs-2009-season-report">Western Bulldogs 2009 Season Report</a> =-. I am no rugby expert or fan but I like the relationship they have with the players better than the way in the AFL where the umpires try to be buddy buddy with them all.
.-= Jermayn´s last blog ..Western Bulldogs 2009 Season Report =-.

]]> By: Bob http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10497 Bob Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:23:25 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10497 Agree will it all. The umpires love to be best buddies with players- I hate it how they suck up the well known players and they shouldn't be on first name basis with the players. If they were truly independent they would be dispassionate about their decisions which they obviously aren't judging by they way they act and talk on the field. Agree will it all.
The umpires love to be best buddies with players- I hate it how they suck up the well known players and they shouldn’t be on first name basis with the players. If they were truly independent they would be dispassionate about their decisions which they obviously aren’t judging by they way they act and talk on the field.

]]> By: Jermayn http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10467 Jermayn Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:32:48 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10467 I like the idea of the umpires having more time to cast their votes and if they watched the game it may remind them of something in the first quarter or something that could change their mind. Good point Dogsbody! .-= Jermayn´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Germworks/~3/M41bYkuJ2Cg/">The Modern Day Pharisee</a> =-. I like the idea of the umpires having more time to cast their votes and if they watched the game it may remind them of something in the first quarter or something that could change their mind. Good point Dogsbody!
.-= Jermayn´s last blog ..The Modern Day Pharisee =-.

]]> By: Geoff Matheson http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10461 Geoff Matheson Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:09:57 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10461 I'm a brownlow advocate. For starters Ablett won every award given to the best player around: and it was Judd who picked up the three votes when Fev kicked 9 over Richmond, so don't tell me that Judd was robbed. I don't like the umpires either, but I don't think that there's a better model around. The closest I can see is actually the coaches medal: at least there it's a round by round vote. The Players association is too prone to media speculation (players are people too), and because the votes happen once the season is done, doesn't give a player with a good start to the season any chance. Are umpires biased? Sure. But they're the least biased of anyone, so what choice do we really have? Richo for the brownlow in 2010! :P I’m a brownlow advocate. For starters Ablett won every award given to the best player around: and it was Judd who picked up the three votes when Fev kicked 9 over Richmond, so don’t tell me that Judd was robbed. I don’t like the umpires either, but I don’t think that there’s a better model around. The closest I can see is actually the coaches medal: at least there it’s a round by round vote. The Players association is too prone to media speculation (players are people too), and because the votes happen once the season is done, doesn’t give a player with a good start to the season any chance.

Are umpires biased? Sure. But they’re the least biased of anyone, so what choice do we really have?

Richo for the brownlow in 2010! :P

]]> By: Deano http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10460 Deano Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:22:56 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10460 other blokes do get them, they're called receivers. Robert Harvey based his career around it. do yourself a favour and watch the Dogs v Cats Rnd 21 game again and tell me if he deserved three votes. Leigh Matthews put him in his top4 on the night and then wrote an article on the monday morning wishing he could take it back because he got sucked in by the numbers rather then the influence on the game. I'll take quality over quantity every time other blokes do get them, they’re called receivers. Robert Harvey based his career around it. do yourself a favour and watch the Dogs v Cats Rnd 21 game again and tell me if he deserved three votes.
Leigh Matthews put him in his top4 on the night and then wrote an article on the monday morning wishing he could take it back because he got sucked in by the numbers rather then the influence on the game.
I’ll take quality over quantity every time

]]> By: Dogsbody http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10459 Dogsbody Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:50:09 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10459 One of the things people are overlooking is the criteria 'fairest'. The Brownlow doesn't go to the 'best' player. It goes to the 'best & FAIREST' player. Regardless of how inept some of the umpires are, they are in the best position to determine who is the fairest on the field. That being written, I think the problem lies with how quickly the umpires have to make their decision. Since technology (video replays) is used regarding reports and suspensions, the AFL should employ the video replay to determine best on ground. Make the umpires rewatch the entire match before casting their votes. They get paid enough to make that part of their job. I've umpired footy. It's so hard to pick best on ground in matches where there is no standout player. Plus, your decision depends upon which position you played as a footballer. How many backmen end up umpiring footy? Not many. Then you've got things like memory. We remember the most recent things usually. How many matchwinners have got votes when they've done nothing all day? Leave it with the umpires (only from a tradition standpoint) but make them re-watch the match afterwards before casting their vote. This is such a contentious issue, there's too much to write on it. As for the ctiticisms Ablett gets regarding his one-two handballs? They're called skill. If they're so easy to get how come other players don't get them? One of the things people are overlooking is the criteria ‘fairest’. The Brownlow doesn’t go to the ‘best’ player. It goes to the ‘best & FAIREST’ player. Regardless of how inept some of the umpires are, they are in the best position to determine who is the fairest on the field. That being written, I think the problem lies with how quickly the umpires have to make their decision. Since technology (video replays) is used regarding reports and suspensions, the AFL should employ the video replay to determine best on ground. Make the umpires rewatch the entire match before casting their votes. They get paid enough to make that part of their job. I’ve umpired footy. It’s so hard to pick best on ground in matches where there is no standout player. Plus, your decision depends upon which position you played as a footballer. How many backmen end up umpiring footy? Not many. Then you’ve got things like memory. We remember the most recent things usually. How many matchwinners have got votes when they’ve done nothing all day? Leave it with the umpires (only from a tradition standpoint) but make them re-watch the match afterwards before casting their vote. This is such a contentious issue, there’s too much to write on it. As for the ctiticisms Ablett gets regarding his one-two handballs? They’re called skill. If they’re so easy to get how come other players don’t get them?

]]> By: deano http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10437 deano Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:49:25 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10437 being a dogs man i am not particularly fond of the 'little maggots' at the moment and i too agree that the brownlow has become a little predictable. was it something like 8 out of the last 10 winners have been midfielders who are involved in the GF??? that says enough doesn't it. having said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all commentators and media alike too have teams they support and players they admire. I think the AFLPA MVP has becme the award that is most respected by players as it is voted for by them, perhaps it is time we started talking up that award a bit more... @Mike - spot on mate, Ablett probably touched the ball 40 odd times against us in round 22 but i wouldn't have had him in the top 6 players, 3/4 of his possessions were pissy little one-two handballs, he got most of his possessions in the back half, he did not influence the scoreboard (directly or indirectly) and his team was beaten...something smells being a dogs man i am not particularly fond of the ‘little maggots’ at the moment and i too agree that the brownlow has become a little predictable. was it something like 8 out of the last 10 winners have been midfielders who are involved in the GF??? that says enough doesn’t it. having said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all commentators and media alike too have teams they support and players they admire. I think the AFLPA MVP has becme the award that is most respected by players as it is voted for by them, perhaps it is time we started talking up that award a bit more…

@Mike – spot on mate, Ablett probably touched the ball 40 odd times against us in round 22 but i wouldn’t have had him in the top 6 players, 3/4 of his possessions were pissy little one-two handballs, he got most of his possessions in the back half, he did not influence the scoreboard (directly or indirectly) and his team was beaten…something smells

]]> By: White Ox http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/umpires-the-brownlow/comment-page-1/#comment-10434 White Ox Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:32:30 +0000 http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/?p=2283#comment-10434 Just in case you missed it: "I cannot say I agree with removing the voting from the Umpires. Half the “romance” if you will surrounding the Brownlow is that the best player is not always the winner and despite this anomaly there are so many “player of the year” awards in the media including print and radio that the great players get recognised and rewarded handsomely anyway. Taking the voting away from the umpires would further sterilise what is becoming a very sanitised league. But the AFL loves fixing things that aren’t broken so nothing surprises me anymore." Just in case you missed it:

“I cannot say I agree with removing the voting from the Umpires. Half the “romance” if you will surrounding the Brownlow is that the best player is not always the winner and despite this anomaly there are so many “player of the year” awards in the media including print and radio that the great players get recognised and rewarded handsomely anyway. Taking the voting away from the umpires would further sterilise what is becoming a very sanitised league. But the AFL loves fixing things that aren’t broken so nothing surprises me anymore.”

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